Curse

Reinfire · Jul 20, 2007, 10:31 AM // 10:31

[skill]Prepared Shot[/skill][skill]Screaming Shot[/skill][skill]Sundering Attack[/skill][skill]Whirling Defense[/skill][skill]Vital Boon[/skill][skill]Signet of Pious Light[/skill][skill]Apply Poison[/skill][skill]Throw Dirt[/skill]

Marks: 12+1+3
Expertise: 9+1
Earth Prayers: 9
Wilderness Survival: 3+1

Bow: Poisonous Shortbow of Fortitude

Prepared Shot: Great E-management and good damage

Screaming Shot: -3 degen and also good damage, making a total degen of -7 with Apply poison

Sundering/Penetrating Attack: Not as powerfull as the previous two but 3 sec recharge makes it nice and spammable

Whirling Defense + Throw Dirt: Two defensive skills in AB is not an unneeded luxury, Without throw dirt you will be turned into chopsticks by the first random assassin. Whirling defense is really handy against rangers/paragons and when more assassins/Warriors join the fray after you threw your dirt.

Vital Boon + Signet of Pious Light: Pretty much the best self-heal in existence

Apply Poison: -4 degen everywhere, huzzah

A possible downside of this build is the lack of a speed boost, but sacrifices are a part of life. This build is also perfectly usable in PvE, with perhaps swapping whirling defense for a rez sig or something else.

Your opinions?

samcobra · Jul 21, 2007, 01:35 AM // 01:35

1) if you're using prep shot and not using concussion shot, then you most obviously are bad. you have no interrupts, which is what a ranger is good at.
2)Also, you waste 2 slots with shitty earth prayers heals when the most amazing heal, troll unguent is right at your doorstep, under wilderness. it requires minimal spec and you can put on a rune.
3)Natural stride is so much better than whirling defense in most occasions, especially when you need to catch up to someone or run away from some idiot melee guy who forgot to bring a speed boost
4) throw dirt is stupid. Learn to kite melee. If you want, bring self removal, something like mend touch or something.
5) reemphasizing, ranger bar without interrupts, especially prep shot bar without conc shot= fail. You're obviously bad at playing ranger, and can't trust yourself to interrupt anything. If you're bad at positioning for melee too, then why not try a char needing almost no skill, like a packhunter or something?

Reinfire · Jul 21, 2007, 11:05 AM // 11:05

There is no need to bitch so much samcobra, try being polite so people will respect you a little bit perhaps.

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1) if you're using prep shot and not using concussion shot, then you most obviously are bad. you have no interrupts, which is what a ranger is good at.

You seem like the kind of guy who cant think outside the box

Rangers are also excellent damage dealers, they are not merely good at interrupting.

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2)Also, you waste 2 slots with shitty earth prayers heals when the most amazing heal, troll unguent is right at your doorstep, under wilderness. it requires minimal spec and you can put on a rune.

220+ heal in 2 sec for 5 energy is shitty????

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3)Natural stride is so much better than whirling defense in most occasions, especially when you need to catch up to someone or run away from some idiot melee guy who forgot to bring a speed boost

Thats a matter of personal choice. Some people like natural stride, others dont. For AB I personally dont like it because you will allways get hexed anywhere.

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4) throw dirt is stupid. Learn to kite melee. If you want, bring self removal, something like mend touch or something.

Also a matter of personal choice. I dont really like kiting, I prefer a more fast apporach. Blind the buggers and fire arrows up their asses

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5) reemphasizing, ranger bar without interrupts, especially prep shot bar without conc shot= fail. You're obviously bad at playing ranger, and can't trust yourself to interrupt anything. If you're bad at positioning for melee too, then why not try a char needing almost no skill, like a packhunter or something?

Reemphasizing, unable to think outside the box = fail. You obviously have no creativity, and cant trust yourself to try something new. If your bad at being polite too, then why not try a place where you dont need to, like a chav gathering or something?

moko · Jul 21, 2007, 02:08 PM // 14:08

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You seem like the kind of guy who cant think outside the box Rangers are also excellent damage dealers, they are not merely good at interrupting.

rangers good damage? not in the way you are trying to deal it, sorry.

how to deal damage:

- glass arrows
- conjure
- degen

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220+ heal in 2 sec for 5 energy is shitty????

ye.

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Thats a matter of personal choice. Some people like natural stride, others dont. For AB I personally dont like it because you will allways get hexed anywhere.

also 50% runs wildblow. i run it always, no problem, not hexed or enchanted once, ever.

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Also a matter of personal choice. I dont really like kiting, I prefer a more fast apporach. Blind the buggers and fire arrows up their asses

and then condition removal owns you. LOLOL?

Reemphasizing, you think your build is good, while it clearly ain't, thinking outside the box obviously is bad if the outcome isn't any better than cookie cutters.

but honestly, interrupts are a must, they're also to prevent damage, why would you diss them?

but really, the reason people bring prepared shot is not because of damage but the energy to keep dazing.

Coloneh · Jul 21, 2007, 04:40 PM // 16:40

its meh. but be sure to switch whirling to dodge. it gives blocking and a speed boost.

Tab · Jul 21, 2007, 04:56 PM // 16:56

Using the +damage attacks in marks is a waste of time. Bows are dangerous through degen and interrupts, or spiking.
BA>this.
[skill]burning arrow[/skill][skill]distracting shot[/skill][skill]savage shot[/skill][skill]pin down[/skill][skill]apply poison[/skill][skill]natural stride[/skill][skill]troll unguent[/skill][skill]mending touch[/skill]

Gogogo.

Reinfire · Jul 21, 2007, 09:06 PM // 21:06

Thank you all for your feedback

, a few things though:

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but honestly, interrupts are a must

Error 152: You were attempting to run a Ranger build without an interrupting bow attack on the skill bar, Please exit the program and try again in a few minutes.

Now if this would happen I would agree, but luckily it doesnt. There is absolutely no rule anywhere which says that rangers MUST HAVE an interrupt. Surly rangers are good interruptors, but please dont pretend that a ranger build cannot be good without an interrupt (and whether THIS build is good or not stands loose from this)

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ye.

Thats cool, may I ask what you have in mind?

I realise that there are without doubt builds which are more effective at dealing damage. However what IMO a build also needs is a fun synergy between skills. And spamming a single elite bow attack, even IF it is statistically more damaging, does not fulfill this requirement. And besides, Sundering attack is a cool skill by itself, I love the whooshing sound it makes when you use it.

(dont get too lost in pure statistics)

druggedchimp · Jul 21, 2007, 11:24 PM // 23:24

Reinfire, I have a lot of empathy for you, as I've been in your situation before. It's hard to accept criticism from others, especially when it's presented in a rude way. However, you need to accept that you asked for the criticism, and there is a lot of truth in it.

Interrupts aren't necessary, but they are very useful. It would be smart to throw one or two in.

This build is for AB, so any running skill will benefit you. This makes natural stride an easy pick. On the other hand, its use will be less effective with your wilderness survival, so the aforementioned dodge seems to be the way to go.

The damage produce by your build is also inferior to other ranger builds out there.
IE: http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:R/..._Damage_Dealer
or http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:R/P_Keen_Shouter

I hope that you'll make some modifications.

Darkpower Alchemist · Jul 22, 2007, 05:53 AM // 05:53

R/D can be interesting if you intend to blind the masses with [skill=card]Ebon Dust Aura[/skill], but if you intend to use [skill=card]Prepared Shot[/skill], which I have become rather well versed in its use-you should go to R/E,imo.

[skill=card]Conjure Lightning[/skill][skill=card]Needling Shot[/skill][skill=card]Screaming Shot[/skill][skill=card]Savage Shot[/skill][skill=card]Prepared Shot[/skill][skill=card]Apply Poison[/skill][skill=card]Throw Dirt[/skill][skill=card]Dodge[/skill]

Needling is great after your enemies drop below 50% health. The buff it gained in recent makes it rather interesting to use, especially with conjure adding to the damage. Plus, the bleeding and the poison causing heavy degen makes for a wicked attack chain. Swap Throw dirt for troll if you choose, because that's what I do for AB. If I'm Throwing dirt then I'm too close to my target anyway, and if I use troll I must have survived for some strange reason other than my quick killing ability

. Dodge and run for the hills, swap screaming for pin down if you prefer, but the damage capability of the build is rather interesting. This you should try.

samcobra · Jul 22, 2007, 04:41 PM // 16:41

first of all, look at troll, even with a moderate spec and say +7 regen, you're getting over 10 seconds 140 health for about 3 energy. Natural stride is absolutely godly, and if you aren't bad at using it, you'll be fine.

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I don't really like kiting

Again to re-emphasize my point that you're bad. If you are really that afraid of melee, bring pin down or something.

Also, as I was saying, if you're a ranger and you want to do ranged damage, use a different elite, something like glass arrows is good damage. So is Burning arrow, Prep Shot is for e-management, and you only need that if you're using energy intensive skills like conc. shot. If not, expertise should be able to cover it. If you're having energy problems, raise your expertise or stop running shitty skills.

milias · Jul 23, 2007, 05:47 PM // 17:47

Reinfire, I just want to say that if you like your build, go ahead and play it. The game is about having fun, if this is fun for you, there's no reason why you shouldn't run it. However, when you share a build here asking for people to rate it, be prepared to receive some constructive criticism. Lastly, I'd like to remind people to stay civil and try to be polite whenever you can.

Peace.